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top down and bottom up
droiddroid 1232063062|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

I think that top-down vs bottom up may need a new page.
Though it seems that top-down is ontogenetic and bottom-up is teleological, for the most part anyway.

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Re: top down and bottom up
FlammiferFlammifer 1232104718|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Yeah, I think so too. I was originally just describing the way I saw things, then also added my own terminology, then saw the two weren't exactly the same.

I don't really like the terms "Teleological vs. Ontogenetic", because:
- nobody can remember those pompous names
- Splitting algorithms into "those who imitate nature's process" and "those who try to get the same result through another process" is a bit narrow, it assumes that you want to imitate nature in the first place, which is often wrong (I don't want to imitate nature, I want to make a fun game!)

… but then, the definition of what's "top down" and what's "bottom up" is a bit unclear too, not to mention that those two terms may be a bit emotionally loaded (which is still better than "incomprehensible").

Maybe a more fruitful discussion would be whether a characteristic is a provable, explicit outcome of the algorithm, or whether it's "just" a frequent side-effect. For example, I don't know whether Pelin Noise is "top-down" or "bottom up", but I know it doesn't explicitly try to get a certain topology.

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